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Dubbayou2: /* Which cam e first? Trees or man? */

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‎Which cam e first? Trees or man?

Dubbayou2: /* Light before there was a sun to give off light */

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‎Light before there was a sun to give off light

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Dubbayou2 at 16:20, 24 October 2016

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Dubbayou2: Created page with ":GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness. :[[GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day...."

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 The contradiction is caused by the arrogance and ignorance of the Greek in presuming a sun is needed to give off light rather than the reason it give off light is because it is made from light. The unseen truth, that God is holy, is revealed in the things that have been made.
-=Which cam e first? Trees or man?=
+=Which came first? Trees or man?=
 :[[GE 1:11-12]], 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
 :[[GE 2:4-9]] Man was created before trees were created.

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 :2. The word Day ''yom'' יום means "a distinct picture of what God intended to do which was completed by teh son of man". Each day is a picture of Christ and illuminates a different aspect of his ministry. Together they are one picture of Christ.
-On day one, God created light. On the fourth day, he created '''luminaries''' 'maowr'  מארת or "objects from light". We are mistaken if we think the sun was pre-eminant. It was created from the light. Physicists admit today that there is no place in space that doe not have light. They attribute it to the Big Bang and consider it remnants. But Genesis tells us that the light was everywhere. It was hidden because there was nothing to bounce it off of and no one to see it. It is hidden in the name Elohim as the pun alo-khoom meaning 'not dark'.
+On day one, God created light. On the fourth day, he created '''luminaries''' 'maowr'  מארת or "objects from light". We are mistaken if we think the sun was pre-eminant. It was created from the light. Physicists admit today that there is no place in space that does not have light. They attribute it to the Big Bang and consider it remnants. But Genesis tells us that the light was everywhere. It was hidden because there was nothing to bounce it off of and no one to see it. It is hidden in the name Elohim as the pun alo-khoom meaning 'not dark'.
 :[[GE 1:11-12]], 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
 :[[GE 2:4-9]] Man was created before trees were created.
 :[[GE 1:20-21]], 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.

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 :[[GE 1:3-5]] On the first day, God created '''light''' 'owr  אור, then separated light and darkness.
 :[[GE 1:14-19]] The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
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 :2. The word Day ''yom'' יום means "a distinct picture of what God intended to do which was completed by teh son of man". Each day is a picture of Christ and illuminates a different aspect of his ministry. Together they are one picture of Christ.
-On day one, God created light. On the fourth day, he created '''luminaries''' 'maowr'  מארת or "objects from light". We are mistaken if we think the sun was pre-eminant. It was created from the light.
+On day one, God created light. On the fourth day, he created '''luminaries''' 'maowr'  מארת or "objects from light". We are mistaken if we think the sun was pre-eminant. It was created from the light. Physicists admit today that there is no place in space that doe not have light. They attribute it to the Big Bang and consider it remnants. But Genesis tells us that the light was everywhere. It was hidden because there was nothing to bounce it off of and no one to see it. It is hidden in the name Elohim as the pun alo-khoom meaning 'not dark'.

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	:2. The word Day ''yom'' יום means "a distinct picture of what God intended to do which was completed by teh son of man". Each day is a picture of Christ and illuminates a different aspect of his ministry. Together they are one picture of Christ.		:2. The word Day ''yom'' יום means "a distinct picture of what God intended to do which was completed by teh son of man". Each day is a picture of Christ and illuminates a different aspect of his ministry. Together they are one picture of Christ.

−	On day one, God created light. On the fourth day, he created '''luminaries''' 'maowr' מארת or "objects from light".	+	On day one, God created light. On the fourth day, he created '''luminaries''' 'maowr' מארת or "objects from light". We are mistaken if we think the sun was pre-eminant. It was created from the light.

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	:2. The word Day ''yom'' יום means "a distinct picture of what God intended to do which was completed by teh son of man". Each day is a picture of Christ and illuminates a different aspect of his ministry. Together they are one picture of Christ.		:2. The word Day ''yom'' יום means "a distinct picture of what God intended to do which was completed by teh son of man". Each day is a picture of Christ and illuminates a different aspect of his ministry. Together they are one picture of Christ.

−	::On day one, God created light. On the fourth day, he created '''luminaries''' 'maowr' מארת or "objects from light"~~. The skeptic assumes the luminaries provide the light for the day and for the night~~.	+	On day one, God created light. On the fourth day, he created '''luminaries''' 'maowr' מארת or "objects from light".

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 :[[GE 1:14-19]] The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
-When God created the heavens and the earth in seven days, he says he also did it in a single day. <ref>[[Ge 2:4]] ¶ These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,</ref>  How can this be? Let's believe it to be true and surmise some solutions:
+When God created the heavens and the earth in seven days, he says he also did it in a single day. <ref>[[Ge 2:4]] ¶ These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,</ref>  How can this be?
 :1. There was no time. We cannot imagine a timelessness, but presumably one day and seven days exist in the same instant. It is then ludicrous to place time-dependent conclusions on a timeless condition.
 :Christ must return like a thief in eh night, and when he comes all men must see him.  The suggestion of timelessness also reconciles these requirements. When we die, we leave time at different times, but arrive in eternity/timelessness at the same moment. From the vantage point of earth, he came as a thief, taking us one at a time. From the vantage point of eternity, we all arrived simultaneously.

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−	:[[GE 1:3-5]] On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.	+	:[[GE 1:3-5]] On the first day, God created '''light''' 'owr אור, then separated light and darkness.
	:[[GE 1:14-19]] The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.		:[[GE 1:14-19]] The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
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		+	When God created the heavens and the earth in seven days, he says he also did it in a single day. <ref>[[Ge 2:4]] ¶ These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,</ref> How can this be? Let's believe it to be true and surmise some solutions:
		+	:1. There was no time. We cannot imagine a timelessness, but presumably one day and seven days exist in the same instant. It is then ludicrous to place time-dependent conclusions on a timeless condition.
		+	:Christ must return like a thief in eh night, and when he comes all men must see him. The suggestion of timelessness also reconciles these requirements. When we die, we leave time at different times, but arrive in eternity/timelessness at the same moment. From the vantage point of earth, he came as a thief, taking us one at a time. From the vantage point of eternity, we all arrived simultaneously.
		+	:2. The word Day ''yom'' יום means "a distinct picture of what God intended to do which was completed by teh son of man". Each day is a picture of Christ and illuminates a different aspect of his ministry. Together they are one picture of Christ.
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		+	::On day one, God created light. On the fourth day, he created '''luminaries''' 'maowr' מארת or "objects from light". The skeptic assumes the luminaries provide the light for the day and for the night.

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-:[[GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
+:[[GE 1:3-5]] On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
-:[[GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
+:[[GE 1:14-19]] The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
-:[[GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
+:[[GE 1:11-12]], 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
-:[[GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
+:[[GE 2:4-9]] Man was created before trees were created.
-:[[GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
+:[[GE 1:20-21]], 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
-:[[GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
+:[[GE 2:7]], 19 Man was created before birds were created.
-:[[GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
+:[[GE 1:24-27]] Animals were created before man was created.
-:[[GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
+:[[GE 2:7]], 19 Man was created before animals were created.
-:[[GE 1:26 Man is to have dominion over fish, birds, cattle, and all wild animals, yet--
+:[[GE 1:26]] Man is to have dominion over fish, birds, cattle, and all wild animals, yet--
-:[[GE 2:15-17 It is wrong to be able to tell good from evil, right from wrong.
+:[[GE 2:15-17]] It is wrong to be able to tell good from evil, right from wrong.
-:[[GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
+:[[GE 1:26-27]] Man and woman were created at the same time.
-:[[GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
+:[[GE 2:7]], 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
-:[[GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
+:[[GE 1:28]] God encourages reproduction.
-:[[LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
+:[[LE 12:1-8]] God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
-:[[GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
+:[[GE 1:31]] God was pleased with his creation.
-:[[GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
+:[[GE 6:5-6]] God was not pleased with his creation.
 :[[(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience as well as with the fact that God allegedly does not change his mind: NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17.)
-:[[GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
+:[[GE 2:4]], 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
-:[[EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.
+:[[EX 6:2-3]] God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.
-:[[GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
+:[[GE 2:17]] Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
-:[[GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.
+:[[GE 5:5]] Adam lived 930 years.
-:[[GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
+:[[GE 2:15-17]], 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
-:[[HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.
+:[[HE 5:13-14]] It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.
-:[[GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
+:[[GE 4:4-5]] God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
-:[[2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
+:[[2CH 19:7]], AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
-:[[GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
+:[[GE 4:9]] God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
-:[[PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.
+:[[PR 15:3]], JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.
-:[[GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
+:[[GE 4:15]], DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
-:[[EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
+:[[EX 15:3]], IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
-:[[EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
+:[[EX 20:5]], 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
-:[[LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
+:[[LE 26:7-8]], NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
-:[[NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
+:[[NU 25:3-4]], DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
-:[[2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
+:[[2SA 22:7-8]] (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
-:[[EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
+:[[EZ 6:12]], NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
-:[[2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
+:[[2CO 13:11]], 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
-:[[GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
+:[[GA 5:22-23]] The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
-:[[GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
+:[[GE 4:16]] Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
-:[[JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.
+:[[JE 23:23-24]] A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.
-:[[GE 6:3 The Lord said, "My spirit will not be in man forever, for he is only flesh; so the days of his life will be a hundred and twenty years."
+:[[GE 6:3]] The Lord said, "My spirit will not be in man forever, for he is only flesh; so the days of his life will be a hundred and twenty years."
-:[[GE 9:29 Noah lived nine hnndred and fifty years.
+:[[GE 9:29]] Noah lived nine hnndred and fifty years.
-:[[GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
+:[[GE 6:4]] There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
-:[[GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
+:[[GE 7:21]] All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
 :[[NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.
-:[[GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
+:[[GE 6:6]]. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
-:[[NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.
+:[[NU 23:19-20]], 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.
-:[[GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah's Ark.
+:[[GE 6:19-22]], 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah's Ark.
-:[[GE 7:2-5 Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken, and are taken, aboard the Ark.
+:[[GE 7:2-5]] Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken, and are taken, aboard the Ark.
-:[[GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
+:[[GE 7:1]] Noah was righteous.
-:[[JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
+:[[JB 1:1,8]], JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
-:[[LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
+:[[LK 1:6]] Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
-:[[JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
+:[[JA 5:16]] Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
-:[[1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
+:[[1JN 3:6-9]] Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
-:[[RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.
+:[[RO 3:10]], 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.
-:[[GE 7:7 Noah and his clan enter the Ark.
+:[[GE 7:7]] Noah and his clan enter the Ark.
-:[[GE 7:13 They enter the Ark (again?).
+:[[GE 7:13]] They enter the Ark (again?).
-:[[GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
+:[[GE 11:7-9]] God sows discord.
-:[[PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.
+:[[PR 6:16-19]] God hates anyone who sows discord.
-:[[GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
+:[[GE 11:9]] At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
-:[[1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.
+:[[1CO 14:33]] Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.
-:[[GE 11:12 Arpachshad [Arphaxad] was the father of Shelah.
+:[[GE 11:12]] Arpachshad [Arphaxad] was the father of Shelah.
-:[[LK 3:35-36 Cainan was the father of Shelah. Arpachshad was the grandfather of Shelah.
+:[[LK 3:35-36]] Cainan was the father of Shelah. Arpachshad was the grandfather of Shelah.
-:[[GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
+:[[GE 11:26]] Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
-:[[GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
+:[[GE 11:32]] Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
-:[[GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.
+:[[GE 12:4]], AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.
-:[[GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen.
+:[[GE 12:7]], 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen.
-:[[EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.
+:[[EX 33:20]], JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.
-:[[GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel.
+:[[GE 10:5]], 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel.
-:[[GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel.
+:[[GE 11:1]] There was only one language before the Tower of Babel.
-:[[GE 15:9, EX 20:24, 29:10-42, LE 1:1-7:38, NU 28:1-29:40, God details sacrificial offerings.
+:[[GE 15:9]], EX 20:24, 29:10-42, LE 1:1-7:38, NU 28:1-29:40, God details sacrificial offerings.
-:[[JE 7:21-22 God says he did no such thing.
+:[[JE 7:21-22]] God says he did no such thing.
-:[[GE 16:15, 21:1-3, GA 4:22 Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.
+:[[GE 16:15]], 21:1-3, GA 4:22 Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.
-:[[HE 11:17 Abraham had only one son.
+:[[HE 11:17]] Abraham had only one son.
-:[[GE 17:1, 35:11, 1CH 29:11-12, LK 1:37 God is omnipotent. Nothing is impossible with (or for) God.
+:[[GE 17:1]], 35:11, 1CH 29:11-12, LK 1:37 God is omnipotent. Nothing is impossible with (or for) God.
-:[[JG 1:19 Although God was with Judah, together they could not defeat the plainsmen because the latter had iron chariots.
+:[[JG 1:19]] Although God was with Judah, together they could not defeat the plainsmen because the latter had iron chariots.
 :[[GE 17:7, 10-11 The covenant of circumcision is to be everlasting.