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==Saying 114==
:(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

I absolutely love this one because so many educated people mock Thomas using this verse saying that it is ridiculous nonsense. But compare to Jeremiah:

:[[Jer 30:6]] Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

Using their standard for interpretation we must say that Jeremiah is Gnostic nonsense. One cannot intelligently teach any doctrine on men, women or marriage until they can make sense of this prophecy.

The key is one we have used previously:
:[[1Ti 2:14]] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Paul tells us that the woman represents those who are 'blind' or do not understand clearly. The old female donkey that led Jesus into Jerusalem represents the old prophets who did not see clearly. The young male donkey represented John the baptist who knew who Jesus was.

The Sikhs have a saying that men must become virgins. This is not an endorsement of Sikhism but evidence that the riddle is not unknown outside of Christian circles.

Those who do not understand (Mary, whose name means 'rebellious') will be taught be Jesus, so that they understand (become male). Those who understand (men) must become the bride of Christ (virgins), and they will become fruitful (pregnant).

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I hope, at a minimum, that I have shown that it is not necessary to call Thomas Gnostic, since his sayings are consistent with orthodox Christian teaching when interpreted in (what I believe is) the proper genre of riddle.

I would additionally hope that I have given enough teasers to suggest that the same riddling takes place in the Bible, and contains the hidden prophecies of Christ which the human author could not have known about.

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 :(1)Though Sikhism does not glorify virginity in the flesh as other religions, there is a source for the saying in the Holy Guru Granth Sahib (Part 19):
-"I decorate myself like a young virgin; but how can I enjoy pleasures, without my Husband Lord? My arm is tired, driving the crows. Says Kabeer, this is the way the story of my life ends."
+::"I decorate myself like a young virgin; but how can I enjoy pleasures, without my Husband Lord? My arm is tired, driving the crows. Says Kabeer, this is the way the story of my life ends."
+:As man dies he becomes a virgin in relation to the Husband Lord. This is similar imagery to the bride of Christ.
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 Paul tells us that the woman represents those who are 'blind' or do not understand clearly. The old female donkey that led Jesus into Jerusalem represents the old prophets who did not see clearly. The young male donkey represented John the baptist who knew who Jesus was.
-The Sikhs have a saying that men must become virgins. This is not an endorsement of Sikhism but evidence that the riddle is not unknown outside of Christian circles.
+The Sikhs have a saying that men must become virgins (1). This is not an endorsement of Sikhism but evidence that the riddle is not unknown outside of Christian circles.
 Those who do not understand (Mary, whose name means 'rebellious') will be taught by Jesus, so that they understand (become male). Those who understand (men) must become the bride of Christ (virgins), and they will become fruitful (pregnant).
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−	Those who do not understand (Mary, whose name means 'rebellious') will be taught be Jesus, so that they understand (become male). Those who understand (men) must become the bride of Christ (virgins), and they will become fruitful (pregnant).	+	Those who do not understand (Mary, whose name means 'rebellious') will be taught by Jesus, so that they understand (become male). Those who understand (men) must become the bride of Christ (virgins), and they will become fruitful (pregnant).

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 I absolutely love this one because so many educated people mock Thomas using this verse saying that it is ridiculous nonsense. But compare to Jeremiah:
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 :[[Jer 30:6]] Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
 Using their standard for interpretation we must say that Jeremiah is Gnostic nonsense. One cannot intelligently teach any doctrine on men, women or marriage until they can make sense of this prophecy.
 The key is one we have used previously:
 :[[1Ti 2:14]] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
 Paul tells us that the woman represents those who are 'blind' or do not understand clearly. The old female donkey that led Jesus into Jerusalem represents the old prophets who did not see clearly. The young male donkey represented John the baptist who knew who Jesus was.