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	The resurrection of Christ provides the salvation made effectual and complete through our death. <ref>[[Ro 7:24]] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [{the body … : or, this body of death }] [[Ro 7:25]] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. ... </ref>		The resurrection of Christ provides the salvation made effectual and complete through our death. <ref>[[Ro 7:24]] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [{the body … : or, this body of death }] [[Ro 7:25]] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. ... </ref>
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		+	'''How did we inherit the penalty for Adam's sin?'''
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		+	We were born 'in time'. Death is a reminder of the consequences of sin. But even as life is a shadow, so is death. <ref>[[Job 10:21]] Before I go [whence] I shall not return, [even] to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;</ref> <ref>[[Ps 23:4]] Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.</ref>

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 '''What of Adam's mortality'''
-Did Adam have to eat in order to live?  No. God said he '''may''' eat, not that he''' must''' eat. <ref>[[Ge 2:16]] ¶  And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: [{thou … : Heb. eating thou shalt eat }]</ref>  Adam was outside of time. The only meaning 'death' could have was that he would be cast into time. The word 'die' ''muwth'' [[מות]] means 'the promise of the Father [[מ]] clarified [[ו]] by the revelation being completed with a new life returning to God. </ref>
+Did Adam have to eat in order to live?  No. God said he '''may''' eat, not that he''' must''' eat. <ref>[[Ge 2:16]] ¶  And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: [{thou … : Heb. eating thou shalt eat }]</ref>  Adam was outside of time. The only meaning 'death' could have was that he would be cast into time. The word 'die' ''muwth'' [[מות]] means 'the promise of the Father [[מ]] clarified [[ו]] by the revelation being completed with a new life returning to God.
 The resurrection of Christ provides the salvation made effectual and complete through our death. <ref>[[Ro 7:24]]  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [{the body … : or, this body of death }] [[Ro 7:25]]  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. ... </ref>

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 On day 4 God made the lights in the firmament. A typical scoffer claim is that the Bible is false because you cannot have light and 'days' without a sun.
-However, the word 'lights' [[מאור]] means 'from [[[מ]] light [[אור]]'.   The lights were formed 'from light'.  Light came first. This is supports by modern theories concerning the Big Bang. It is claimed by some that in teh Big bang, there was first an explosion which sent energy in a wave from a infinitesimally small beginning point. First the was energy (light). <ref>[[Ge 1:3]] ¶  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.</ref>  Then as the energy 'cooled from the expansion', it condensed and coalesced into matter. Hence the sun was formed 'from light'.
+However, the word 'lights' [[מאור]] means 'from [[מ]] light [[אור]]'.   The lights were formed 'from light'.  Light came first. This is supports by modern theories concerning the Big Bang. It is claimed by some that in teh Big bang, there was first an explosion which sent energy in a wave from a infinitesimally small beginning point. First the was energy (light). <ref>[[Ge 1:3]] ¶  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.</ref>  Then as the energy 'cooled from the expansion', it condensed and coalesced into matter. Hence the sun was formed 'from light'.
 In this scenario, theorists have a difficulty explaining the coalescing, some claim that the energy must have been pulsing in order to to form pockets of 'mass' here and there.  As light travels in waves, the high energy parts of the wave could be interpreted as days, with an abundance of energy (light) and the nights would be the low energy sections of the wave.

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 As a mystery, it is hidden in the literal-historical record where the record of the actual history is also a prophetic riddle concerning Christ.
-The first part of the riddle to solve is this: How did seven days happen in one day? <ref>[[Ge 2:4 ¶  These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,</ref> Part of the mystery cannot be ignored if understanding of the full mystery is to be had.
+The first part of the riddle to solve is this: How did seven days happen in one day? <ref>[[Ge 2:4]] ¶  These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,</ref> Part of the mystery cannot be ignored if understanding of the full mystery is to be had.
 In order to have seven days in one one or more of the following must be true:

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 '''Figurative day'''
 Using notarikon (an early Hebrew hermeneutic), the word 'day' ''yom'' [[יום]] means 'Gods creation [[י]] finished by the Son [[ם]] for the intention of clarifying [[ו]].  In fact, each day is a prophetic riddle concerning Christ, which is a wonderful topic for another question.
 '''Literal Day'''
 On day 4 God made the lights in the firmament. A typical scoffer claim is that the Bible is false because you cannot have light and 'days' without a sun.
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 '''Day outside of time'''
 Since men are finally coming around to understanding God's record of creation with scientific theories, the claim that seven days occurred in one day must also be taken seriously.
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 '''Enough of days, what of death?'''
 When did time begin?  This is answered by the death of Adam.
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 '''The theology'''
 . Adam died but didn't die. It is a riddle concerning the death and resurrection of Christ.
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 '''What of Adam's mortality'''
 Did Adam have to eat in order to live?  No. God said he may eat, not that he must eat. <ref>[[Ge 2:16]] ¶  And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: [{thou … : Heb. eating thou shalt eat }]</ref>  Adam was outside of time. The only meaning 'death' could have was that he would be cast into time. The word 'die' ''muwth'' [[מות]] means 'the promise of the Father [[מ]] clarified [[ו]] by the revelation being completed with a new life returning to God. </ref>
 The resurrection of Christ provides the salvation made effectual and complete through our death. <ref>[[Ro 7:24]]  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [{the body … : or, this body of death }] [[Ro 7:25]]  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. ... </ref>

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-. Paul clearly states that death came by the sin of Adam. Therefor he was not subject to death prior to his sin.
+Beginning with Paul's clear statement on the matter; Adam was not subject to death until he sinned. <ref>[[Ro 5:17]]  For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [{by one man’s … : or, by one offence }]</ref>
-Beginning with a clear statement on the matter. Adam was not subject to death until he sinned.
+In order to have seven days in one one or more of the following must be true:
-:[[Ro 5:17]]  For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [{by one man’s … : or, by one offence }]
+. The day [[יום]] must be a figurative day.
-With that established, we can look into the "mystery hidden from the beginning" <ref>[[Eph 3:9]]  And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:</ref>
+. 'Day' is literal but means something other than a 24 hour day.

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	Beginning with a clear statement on the matter. Adam was not subject to death until he sinned.		Beginning with a clear statement on the matter. Adam was not subject to death until he sinned.

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	:[[Ro 5:17]] For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [{by one man’s … : or, by one offence }]		:[[Ro 5:17]] For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [{by one man’s … : or, by one offence }]

−	~~Now~~ we can look into the "mystery hidden from the beginning" <ref>[[Eph 3:9]] And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:</ref>	+	With that established, we can look into the "mystery hidden from the beginning" <ref>[[Eph 3:9]] And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:</ref>

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 Beginning with a clear statement on the matter. Adam was not subject to death until he sinned.
-Ro 5:17  For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [{by one man’s … : or, by one offence }]
+:[[Ro 5:17]]  For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [{by one man’s … : or, by one offence }]
 Now we can look into the "mystery hidden from the beginning" <ref>[[Eph 3:9]]  And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:</ref>

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	I’m not seeking opinions, I’m especially seeking a well formulated argument from Scripture, if one exists at all to the question, “Was Adam created mortal?”		I’m not seeking opinions, I’m especially seeking a well formulated argument from Scripture, if one exists at all to the question, “Was Adam created mortal?”
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		+	Beginning with a clear statement on the matter. Adam was not subject to death until he sinned.
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		+	Ro 5:17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [{by one man’s … : or, by one offence }]
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		+	Now we can look into the "mystery hidden from the beginning" <ref>[[Eph 3:9]] And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:</ref>