Mary and Rebecca

Q: Help me understand - The typology of Mary and Rebecca

In popular typology the type and ante type must share characteristics. In "shadows" the meaning is derived from word-play as God speaks in riddles.

Look at the pattern formed by the first and second sons when you drop the requirement of typology and just use word-play.

First man:second man in Matthew's genealogy of Jesus

This theme is a sub-category of “two=dual nature”. In it, the first man is earthly, and is associated with the earth by his name, occupation, lusts, etc. The second man is the one who finds the pearl of great price and will give all for it.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

We can infer that ‘son’ is synonymous with ‘man’ from the following verse:

Ge 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

That son = man is inferred from the context of the passage.

In this theme there are two “things” that each must fit into the earthly:heavenly pattern. So there must be four justifications for each pattern pair: one showing the identification as the first man, one showing the first man as the earthly man: one for the second man, and one for the second man as the heavenly man.

Adam:Christ

Adam = first man Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man Homograph man:Adam [man and Adam are the same word] Context. No man is mentioned being formed prior to Adam.

Adam = earthly man

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy:..

Gen 2:7 … of the dust of the ground,

Synonym earth:dust of the ground

Christ = second man

1Co 15:47 …the second man is the Lord.

Synonym Christ:Lord

Christ = heavenly man

1Co 15:47 … from heaven.

Synonym heavenly:from heaven

Cain:Abel

Cain = first son (of Adam)

Ge 4:1 …she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Context No others mentioned previously

Cain = earthly son

Ge 4:2 … but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Synonym earth:ground

Abel = second son (of Adam)

Ge 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel…

Context. No other mentioned between Cain and Abel

Abel = heavenly son

Mt 23:35 … from the blood of righteous Abel …

Synonym heavenly:righteous

Ishmael:Isaac

Ishmael = first son (of Abraham)

Ge 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael;

Context No others mentioned previously

Ishmael =earthly son

Deduced: God had promised a son (Isaac) and Ishmael was begotten in the flesh by a handmaid

Isaac =second son

Ge 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: ...

Context

Isaac =heavenly son

Ge 17:19 …and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Defined: Inheritance of the covenant is given to the heavenly son

Note: Name order reversal suggesting “first shall be last and last shall be first”.

Ge 25:9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;

Esau:Jacob

Esau = first son

Ge 25:25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.

Defined: first

Esau =earthly son

Gen 25:33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.

Deduced: Esau did not value the birthright

Jacob =second son

Ge 25:26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau‘s heel; and his name was called Jacob:

Context

Jacob =heavenly son

Gen 25:33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.

Deduced: Jacob valued the birthright

Too long to complete the full genealogy of Christ here. See http://idontknownuthin.com/wiki/inde...logy_of_Christ for the full treatment.

Christ is both the first son and the second son. Without attributing any sin to Christ, the first sons represent Christ in the shadows. Christ's perfect obedience in the flesh was an "ordinary sacrifice" as was Cain's in that we all are supposed to offer perfect obedience, which is insufficient. Christ still had to die. And Cain:Christ slew Abel:;Christ as it was Christ who nailed himself to the cross by the act of His will. And God said "If you do right, won't you be lifted up" as a foreshadow of Christ.

You know in your spirit that Jacob foreshadows Christ, but the rules of typology are too restrictive. The rules for shadow are summarized by Rabbi Eliezer, though he never used them with the full canon of scripture, which would have enabled him to see Christ. --

Help me understand - The typology of Mary and Rebecca

The distinction is a modern invention. Some modern theologians require that a type must be mentioned in the New Testament in order to be valid. Others claim that pairs in a type must share moral characteristics. The New Testament authors made no such distinctions.

The rock that followed Israel had no moral character at all. Modern typology would not accept Cain as a type of Christ because of his negative moral character. Shadows do not require the same moral integrity between type and ante type. Shadows are the result of word play.

Rebekah was an honorable woman, but in shadows she has a "taint" of the prostitute. The scripture says the servant 'took' her. And the word also means 'married'. Now the servant didn't marry her, but the shadow has the taint. This taint is one of the elements that contributes to the same theme where Mary is suspected of adultery. It is the prostitute-virgin bride theme.

Together Leah and Rachel are one P-B. Ruth an honorable woman who slept with Boaz. Rahab a prostitute who became the bride. Gomer is a prostitute, but she has the shadow hints of the virgin: Her name means 'complete' and her first son was named "God sows" as a hint of the virgin birth. The story of Tamar is a perfect shadow of the birth of Christ. And she played the prostitute yet she was more honorable than Judah, Judah was told there was no prostitute, and she had bracelets indicating she was clean. (There are dozens of parallels that make Tamar a wonderful picture of the birth of Christ.)

Almost every woman in the Bible works into the P-B theme, yet typology misses it because of the modern restrictive rules.

So you might think of typology as a subset of shadows. When you have a hint that there is something more in a verse, there usually is, and the methods of revealing shadows reveal it. -- Help me understand - The typology of Mary and Rebecca I will anticipate your curiosity:

The key to this comes from Samson’s riddle: “If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle.” This first tells us that God’s riddles cannot be discerned unless you know the answer to start with (which is Christ) AND that you plow (turn over the earthly or the literal) with the heifer (the sacrifice or Christ).

So without going into all the details, let me plow the story of Tamar:

The name 'Er' means 'awake'. In the scriptures it is said that when we are dead we are asleep, and we are in the dust. So being called ‘awake’ means to be called ‘alive and ‘from the dust’. Is it coincidence that this first child of Judah who was killed by God for sin would look a lot like Adam who died without a ‘living’ or spiritual heir?

Onan was supposed to bear living children on behalf of his brother, just as Israel was supposed to beget living children on behalf of Adam, yet Israel ‘spilled its children’ in the earth.

It is appointed unto man to die once, and Christ dies once for all, so is it a coincidence that Timnath means ‘the appointment’ and Tamar met Judah before Timnath just as Mary met God before the appointed time of Christ's death?

Is it coincidence: That Tamar was offered a goat, and Mary a scapegoat; for “he will save his people from their sin.” That Tamar and Mary each wanted an assurance of the promise. That Tamar was given the rod while Mary was told “The power of God…” That Tamar was given a signet ring while Mary was told “He will be called the son of the Most High…” That and empty vessel without bracelets in unclean, but that Tamar received bracelets while Mary was told the Holy Ghost would come upon her. That Judah was told “There was no prostitute here and Joseph was told not to be afraid to take Mary. That when they were discovered to be pregnant that Tamar was threatened with death while Mary with divorce. That they both were honored when the father was discovered. That Tamar had twins and Mary the God-man That their names mean “breaking forth” and “Morning sun” and Jesus was called “Dayspring” That Pharez was a usurping second son just as Jesus was the second man who obtained the promise.

There is much more in the details.

I have found pictures of Christ in Uzziah, Elgon, Samson, Gideon. Jephthah and many more.

Either I am a very clever guy. Or these pictures of Christ are really there. They differ from allegory in that once a picture is established it is the same everywhere. For instance a donkey is always a prophet. When Jesus rode into Jerusalem, the old female donkey was the old prophets who didn’t see clearly, and the colt was John the Baptist, the newest prophet who knew who Christ was. The rest of the details all work out at well. . All of them are derived from the meaning attached to the words.

These are examples of shadows that you won't find in "typology". But as I said the distinction is really a modern invention. -- Help me understand - The typology of Mary and Rebecca Because 'type' is used differently by others, you are probably close enough on that..

You have accurately described what I have said about shadows.

Herod and Balaam were compromisers. Balaam had suggested to lead the Israelites into fornication, Herod was confronted with this.

Then there are three confrontations with the donkey, and three with Herod:

Luke 3.19 But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip’s wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done, 20 Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.

1. Philip's wife 2. All the evils he had done 3. The teaching of one greater than himself.

A threat of death in a shadow is a symbol of death. Balaam threatens the donkey, and John is killed.

The donkey did not die, living after a threat of death is usually a symbol of resurrection, but here the donkey continues to talk after the threat, just as Herod is haunted by the words of John after his death.

Samson as Christ uses the words of the prophets to slay 1000 men. The number 1000 in shadows represents 'king' and so he slays the King-man (himself) by the words of the prophets. The jawbone is freshly rotting, just as John's death ended the ministry of the prophets. -- Help me understand - The typology of Mary and Rebecca Oh an I almost forgot.. the first two letters of the three letter word for jawbone are another word meaning fresh, moist and vigor. Just as the living water was hidden in the words of the dead prophets, and was about to spring out. (pun intended) ;-)