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The author Submitted by PigSP on Tue, 2015-04-21 07:47.
>>The author of Genesis is traditionally thought to be Moses when he gave the Law to Israel on Mt. Sinai.
Based on patterns found on pre-Abrahamic tablets in Babylonia, P.J. Wiseman has proposed that the toledoth is a colophon, giving evidence that Genesis was written by eye witnesses on clay tablets which were then transcribed onto papyrus.
He surmises that the tablets were carried into Egypt by Jacob and placed in Pharaoh's library, where they were transcribed. Moses, having been raised in Pharoah's court would have had access to them.
R.K. Harrison promoted Wiseman's theory.
interdisciplinary Submitted by PigSP on Tue, 2015-04-21 07:55.
>>The study of Genesis requires an interdisciplinary approach that uses philosophy, history, theology and science. Metaphysics and Physics are informative as well.
Where did the Bereans get this education?
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
When you add more authorities, why would we wonder why there are so many interpretations? Are philosophers, historians and scientists apostles? Why not let scripture interpret scripture?
terms Submitted by tomgroeneman on Tue, 2015-04-21 08:27.
I agree that these terms are divisive and inaccurate; that is why I said I prefer the term authoritative and it just so happens that the word authority is also in the Bible.
Other disciplines are not necessary to study Genesis merely helpful and certainly at a minimum the Bereans would have had to understand language to study as nobly as they did.
Scripture must always be the standard for interpreting other Scripture. If the symbolic meaning comes from the literal, then we can know how to interpret a symbol by its use elsewhere in Scripture. For example: Jerusalem refers to an actual historical city but it also has other meanings like the celestial city that is in heaven (Rev.) and the people of God on earth (Heb.).
St. Augustine was not the first Church leader to interpret the Bible the way he did but he is perhaps the most accepted and arguably the most criticized. He is one of my favorite scholars and the paradigm of medieval philosophy. The only one who rivals his genius is St. Thomas Aquinas and both of them represent the flower of Catholic theology.
Your brother in Christ, TOM G.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation to all the believing; to the Jew first and also the Gentile." Romans 1:16
bones not broken Submitted by PigSP on Tue, 2015-04-21 14:11.
>>"The reason I believe the Gospel records Christ's bones not being broken is because it is in fulfillment of the Passover lamb being sacrificed whole without any of its bones being broken. "
I whole heartedly agree. However what is not answered is why? What is the meaning of the prophecy and it's fulfillment? Since 'bones' עץם also means essence or substance, in Greek ὑπόστασις, the purpose of the prophecy is not just to check off an enumeration of things to do, but to tell us that Jesus, the exact representation of the ὑπόστασις of God did not cease to be God in his death.
>>Following is a breakdown of the specifics of the marriage covenant gleaned from this passage. It is not meant to be complete or exhaustive but to cover the essentials.
Cool list. It appears that the focus is on marriage, many of the points are not directly taught but are inferred using Greek methods, but Paul says that marriage is not about marriage but is about Christ.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Since marriage is a type of Christ and his bride, then marriage is preaching the cross through symbol. Since communion is a type of Christ, it is preaching the cross through symbol. Since baptism is a type of Christ, it is preaching the cross through symbol.
None of these things are magic. They are all for naught if you are not saved. But if you are saved they are the power of God unto salvation.
Ro 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
How many other acts can you find that Christian do that are symbols of the cross? The acts themselves are not magic, they are simply preaching the cross through symbol.
What are the things we discern about Christ and his bride? 1. Salvation is an unbreakable bond.
2. Salvation through Christ was ordained from the beginning, even while we were yet sinners. It was not good for the man Christ Jesus to be alone. It is Good that he and his bride are fruitful and multiplying.
3. Since marriage is a type of Christ, then those in the marriage have been invited to live a 'dinner theater' before the world demonstrating the relationship between Christ and his bride. "You are my witnesses."
4. Marriage is of the flesh. (They are one flesh). It terminates at death, and there is no marriage in heaven. The marriage of the Lamb happens at the cross (Adam was in sleep/death), and this is the life when Christ and his bride are fruitful (fruit of the Spirit) and multiplying (discipleship... the church multiplied as God added to it daily).
5. Christ came to break up earthly families.
Mr 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
He created a new family plan:
Mt 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
6. Jacob started the great procreation of the people of God, but they were an earthly people and were rejected. Abraham's faithful children were called 'star'. Jesus though barren in the flesh was fruitful in the spirit. His children were called the light of the world. Since Adam and Eve died spiritually, they could only beget still-born 'spirit'-children of God, which is why we must be born again.
7. Since the woman is the church, let the church learn from her husband; Christ. 1Ti 2:11
created evil Submitted by PigSP on Tue, 2015-04-21 14:56.
It is interesting that people choose to believe Einstein rather than the scripture when it is quoted for them.
Interpretation of scripture is not just ignoring the parts you don't like. It is understanding it properly, then believing the proper understanding.
The word translated evil also means calamity. The letters mean 'revelation ר of the flesh ע.
God created a system a 'what you sow you shall reap' . When you choose not to acknowledge God as God, he lets you pretend to be god, and reap the consequences of suffering and death. He created the calamity that would result from rejecting God, but man instantiated the suffering with his choice.
In this way God can say he created the calamity, but is not culpable for sin. His calamity is designed to push you back to God. Therefor it is still Good. The calamity reveals the flesh.
bones Submitted by tomgroeneman on Tue, 2015-04-21 15:41.
Thanks for responding; I was not aware of bones also referring to substance. The prophecy about Christ on the cross was fulfilled when His side was pierced. I neglected to mention that the Roman soldiers responsible for executions would check to see if the victim was dead and if they were still alive break their legs with a mallet so that the lungs would collapse under the weight of the body and the victim would asphyxiate. When they saw Christ had expired, they pierced His side with a lance to confirm His death. Zech. 12:10
Your brother in Christ, TOM G.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation to all the believing; to the Jew first and also the Gentile." Romans 1:16
Taking a rib from a ribcage Submitted by hesed28 on Tue, 2015-04-21 15:42.
You are correct that Gen 2:21 does not use the word "break/broke" but I was thinking of the process of "taking" a single rib out of Adam. I assumed the rib was not already detached from his rib cage but was removed, separated, disconnected from the rest of the ribs in the cage.
You are correct is saying the word "rib" (Heb. tsela`) used in Gen 2:21 means "side, rib, beam".
Now the root word for the noun "rib" is derived from the Heb. verb "tsala`" which means "to limp, become lame" Compare Gen 32:31 (where the word "halted" is used referring to Jacob's limp after wrestling with the angel) Gen 32:31 ("And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh.")
Also, thanks for your feedback with references to other passages. I believe the Greek word "klaō" translated "broken" in 1 Cor 11:24 means "given" which coincides with the Gospel writings:
Compare Luke 22:19 ("And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me").
Also compare Mat 14:19 when Jesus blessed, broke, and then "gave" bread to disciples to distribute to the multitude. Mat 14:19: ("And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.")
I agree again the meaning for the noun "bone" (Heb. `etsem) is "essence" (also means "bone" and "substance" according to Strongs).
Now with all this emphasis on the word "bone" I can't help but wonder about Joseph's request to have his "bones" carried out of Egypt and also the valley of the dry "bones" in Ezekiel.
Gen 50:25 ("And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.")
Exo 13:19 ("And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you.")
Heb 11:22 ("By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.")
Does Moses' action taking the bones of Joseph have a deeper meaning beyond the literal? takin not only the literal bones of Joseph (his physical remains) but also the "essence" of Joseph?
Is there something of significance about the bones, especially when the bones of Joseph are mentioned throughout the Bible even in Heb 11 (the faith chapter)?
water and blood Submitted by PigSP on Tue, 2015-04-21 16:23.
And of course we must ask, what does the water and the blood signify.
The Water is always the Word. We are told that life is in the blood.
So bloody water is the living Water or living Word.
In Egypt, when water/word was poured into the dust (the desolate earth without the word) it turned to blood/life.
When water and blood poured from his side it signified he was the living water, and he produced life in the world through his death.
If you put the letters together which stand for Spirit, water and blood you get ארץ 'earth' These are the three which testify on earth. 1Jo 5:8
water and spirit
Unless you be born of water מים and the Spirit ש you cannot be born again. Water and Spirit is שמים which means heaven. Unless you be born of heaven, you cannot be born again.
Are these coincidence or intentional?
